On Tuesday 23 July, the Fisheries Committee held a good exchange of views with DG MARE’s Director-General João Aguiar Machado.
Note: The transcript is from a computer. It seems to be 98% accurate.
You can find an English transcript of the meeting below and as a caption in the video.
Transcript of the meeting of the Fisheries Committee. 23rd July 2019.
Could you take your seats, please? I’d like to begin the meeting. Oh, good morning. And welcome to the first meeting of the Fisheries Committee of this new mandate on dhe. Look forward to working with you over the next five years on DDE. Just very conscious of this committee that, you know, there’s just so many issues. It’s a small committee, but lots of issues, some of them outside their control, of course, climate change, our third country actions and, uh, all the time we have to remember that thing. Actions we take here affect people’s lives, you know? And sometimes Well, sometimes we have to take a look to the long term because we’ve gotta protect fish stocks and build up those fish stocks if if the industry is to have a future. But at the same time, you know we’ll contest the short term pressures, but I think we all want to see a successful, long term, secure, profitable future for an industry on. We need to ensure that we have the fish to, uh, provide the resource that that industry needs if it is to succeed. So without further ado, let’s get on. Um, first item is the adoption of the agenda and a letter. Any objections? I propose. That’s we, Julie. Adopt it. I see No objection. Is that so? The agenda is approved. The second item I have to say is that it’s sad news. And it concerns Mr Bradford, new colleague from Portugal from the Zaurus, Uh, who, uh, was expected to join us, but we received notification off his death. Uh, last week, I have to say I was looking very much looking forward to working with him. I deeply regret this news. And with your permission on behalf of the committee, I will send a letter of condolence to his family. Thank you. I propose now the adoption of the minutes of the constituent too constituent. It’d how you pronounce it. The set up meeting off the 10th of July. Any objections to the minutes? Thank you. All right. Move that they deemed to be approved. And now we move on to the draft budget. Um, I have to say that. So in taking the chair’s position, I was presented with the draft budget that been drawn up by the by the secretary at on dhe. More or less. That is the document has been presented to you. It is, of course, just an opinion to the budget. Um, to the budget committee on DDE. It will be open for your modifications and amendments. I think have to be tabled by by Thursday noon. Now, where’s the commission representative? I’m not used to sitting up here, Ray, in the back. So this is, uh this is Dori Correra. If I pronounced that right, this is correct. If the floor is yours. Thank you, Mr President. Honorable members. Mr. President, it’s ah in honor and always a pleasure to be back in this committee and allow me to start by wishing you all the best for this literature. We start with a bit of an arduous point, which is indeed the draft budget for 24,020 is the last year of this financial period. As we all know, we are now disgusting. The budget for the next financial period 2021 2 1020 So 24,027. Sorry. So next year is ah year, which is important in terms of consolidating what we have achieved and sending a strong message in terms of implementation for the ones discussing the next financial period. So ah, in terms of the budget for maritime affairs and fisheries, we are proposing the following amounts for next year. In terms of commitments I the money we commits to spend in 2020 and subsequent ears. The commission is proposing over 1,000,000,000 heroes and in terms of payments. So to honor our obligations from past years, we are proposing 960,000,000 euros. This money covers three things. It covers our European maritime and fisheries funds. It covers our international fisheries agreements and organizations, and it covers the fisheries control agencies in vehicle. If you allow me president, I will just say a few words about each of these three components. The bulk of our expenditure is, of course, the structural fund, the E M F f, which is 90% in shared management. Shared management means that member states or the ones implementing and manage managing this this money. Ah, So the idea for next year is to allow for a continued implementation of the programs and for that we have proposed 858,000,000 heroes. This is member States responsibility, of course, but it’s something that we are monitoring very, very closely in the commission and here I have good news for you. As we know, the E M F F had a bit of a slow start at the beginning in 2014 but now, based on the implementation reports from last year, it is reaching its cruising speed in member states. At the end of last year, we had around 33,000 projects ongoing in member states, and this is twice as many as the year before. As in 2017 the value of this project is around 5,000,000,000 euros, and half of that is paid by our fund. All we know it means that around half of our E m f f has now bean committed on is being spent. This is for the part which is managed by member states. So the 90% of the fund, 10% of the fund is managed by the commission mainly for maritime policy and accompanying measures for the implementation of the common fisheries policy like scientific advice here. Our financial planning for 2020 was established on the basis of identified needs and of course, in full respect of the somatic distribution of funds in the E. M F F regulation moving out to the second part of the budget the part supporting sustainable fisheries partnership agreements and original fishers organizations here we are asking for 142,000,000 euros for next year. These covers, of course, the fisheries agreements which are in force, but also those which are expected to be enforced in 2020 like Morocco. Now we have just had the ratification by the Moroccan authorities. We also plan to cover the agreements renewed in 2019 like a bear and Guinea Bissau or in 2020 like Senegal and the Seychelles. So this part of the budget, you have money which we are so sure to spend and then you we have many that we set aside in case these negotiations are successful and we need the money and this is a reserve line in the budget. Finally, as regards our agency in Vigo, the European Fisheries Control Agency, we have, um, proposed 16,000,016 point 7,000,000 euros which is in line with the agreement made between Parliament and counsel at the time of the Coast Guards regulations. So the agreement between F ca Frontex and himself. Ah, and of course, this is in addition to the core business of the agency in terms of control and implementation of the C f D. Finally, as regards pilot project in preparatory actions we just received from the parliament the list of proposed pilot projects and actions from this committee and we are now proceeding with this assessment will come back to you very shortly. Let me just conclude Ah, Mr Chairman, By welcoming the draft opinion, I just wanted to know that as regards our budget for sustainable Fisheries partnership agreement, the council has cut our estimates by 4,000,000. And we would pretty much appreciate the support of the Parliament in reinstating our original request. I, of course, welcome any questions you may have. Thank you very much of your commission. Um, I’ll take coordinators first. If mister Mister me and Mom drifting. I’m wearing two hats today. I’m not just a coordinator, but I also represent the shadow of her tour. Uh, Ristorante, Don’t miss Montana. Aguilar, who was able to attend today’s meeting for personal and family reasons. So I have her speaking notes here. Ah, if you permit, I could read them out. Perhaps I could speak first. A shadow report. You’re reading her notes. And then afterwards I could speak in my own name. Or would you like me to do it in the reverse order? What would you prefer? I just do both. Okay, Well, in any case, from Miss Monteiro the Aggie, at first she tells us the following She’s the shadow op Artur again for my group. She says that this draft opinion on the budget scene is balanced as prepared by the chair, it covers the main points of agriculture fag. The small scale fleets cold still fleets the V go agency and of course, Brexit. Now our position according to mistake out is in line with Mr Davies position and agrees that it can only be achieved through efficient and effective use of the funds in order to ensure the jobs of millions of people and food safety from the maritime sector that we need to fight for a better scientific base for our work. And we also need to better understand our seas in order to ensure the best possible policy. We also feel that the blue economy and all its aspects should be, ah focus and it should offer more added value to coastal communities. It would like to emphasize it importance of the sea for sustainable fisheries and our future without forgetting the men and women who live from the sea and depend on it. And so our proposal lt’s minor amendments or changes to the budget would have to be in line with our main objectives. And Miss Aguilar concludes by saying that there needs to be a balance between the environmental and social economic aspects of fisheries. So those would be That would be the brief text that the shadow rapporteur sent me. Now on my own behalf, let me just say that in principle, I can agree with your proposal chair. I will be table in two minor amendments, one in order to further emphasize the importance of the third country agreements, the sustainable fisheries partnership agreements which are very important, which of course, have budgetary implications. This is a point that the commission representive already said no. Of course, today we know that the European fleet and is going back to Morocco and this is a sign of Thea Good health of these agreements and the second minor amendment will be to get further emphasized the idea that was view to the next financial framework to 2027 that we need to be ambitious for fisheries in the budget. That’s what we need and that Brexit should not form a barrier to ensuring that the budget is ambitious. And that’s it for me. Thank you, Countess. Us. What do you mean, my ambitious in this instance? You know, you’re recording that there should not be any cuts, as is being proposed right now in the financial framework. On the contrary, we need to actually up the amount. This is the key, Lara. Thank you very much. Care. The shadow opportune for my group is Mr Coleman, who will be joining us later this morning. Just briefly. I wanted to say that I can agree with the opinion has been drafted by the chair on the budget. I have got a question for the Commission representative Door Korea. This seems to be a problem with the implementation of the P M f f and that the national operative programs are adopted very were adopted very late in the day, and so the implementation of this operative program was very, very slow indeed. So we’ve been told now today by the commission representative that we’re reaching cruising speed, apparently, and this is a good thing. Of course, we still got a year before the end of this current financial framework or a year and 1\/2 and a very pleased to see that we’re on track. But I do have a question. We’ve been given some information, but I would like to know whether, if she’s got it, what is the exact percentage of implementation of thes operative programs to date Now? I did hear some figures, but I didn’t know them fully down I perhaps it was about 50% implementation. I don’t know if that’s the right figure, but in the case, I would like to have a bit more detail. So what exactly is the percentage of, uh, expenditure on the programs of what’s already committed in what’s being paid for these operative programs? Also, it was said that there’s this 4,000,000 that’s been cut from the budget. We’re being asked as a parliament to add that back in the proposal coming from the parliament. Now, I’ve always said that in this parliament we’ve always been in favor of promoting the budget returning offense that have been cut. But I would like to know from the commission representative about these 4,000,000 euros that have been cut, I must say, I haven’t actually seen them. Perhaps you could tell me where exactly they are in the budgetary line. Which line they effect. Thank you. Quite detailed questions that I wanted. The commission would like to come back before we take. Take some more. Yes. So, um, thank you for those questions in terms of the execution of the implementation of the of the E M f f. The figure I mentioned in my opening statements was that 45% of the CME FF was now committed. Toby spent this in terms of the overall figure. In terms of the actual payments made on the ground. The E M F F is now at 23% of money spent. And just to give you a comparison with other funds uh, the funds original development. So the e r. The F isn’t our 28% on the E S F the European Social Fund is at 30% so we can see that this figures to be quite good because, as you know, we started a year later. We had to wait for the adoption of the legal basis. And then, as you just said, the operational programs took quite a while to be, um, adoptive in and put in place by the member states. Now this is the overall figure for the 27 member states. Luxembourg does not have a program. This is the overall figure. And of course, within member states there are divergences. But this is the overall figure for the fund. And when I say we are cruising speed, it’s because in fact, in one year we have doubled the implementation. So this means that things are really happening on the ground now. Sorry for the formula in the 4,000,000 was cut in the S F p A. So in the fishery partnership agreement will part of the budget and they were cut in the reserve line. So the money we set aside for agreements which are being negotiated now and we expect them to be enforced next year, and I think the council is maybe a little bit less optimistic than we are. So they thought that they could take those those 4,000,000 away. We believe that we’re able well to spend that money, so we would like to have those 4,000,000 back in the reserve. Mrs Thomas H. You focus. But thank you. Sure, I’m slightly concerned regarding the eight poet contests and 2029% concerning technology and equipment which of course will pose problems in connection with control. I also really we need hi offends for landings, handle obligations in connection with landings. Also, a scientific research is quite important, especially when it comes to implementation and preparation of multi annual plants. Off course. I will have some amendments in connection with this matter as well. Thank you, Mrs Content a cock a leg. So deca leaks on chairman the financial allocations on a scientific advice to be kept at the same level. Our amendments will focus on certain matters of socio economic importance, particularly the importance of small scale fisheries. Around 75% of those registered in the e u on dhe half the jobs in the sector. Greater resources should go to small scale Fisher is particularly with regard to implementation of the landing obligations and diversification off the economy, including into the tourism sector. We think it’s vital that appropriate financial resources go to a proper use off resources, and I would like to recall that fishermen on just on do have responsibility for stocks. Onda proper management. There are other issues, though. Pollution variation off a biomass and so on on DDE that we should consider other environmental service is such us A disposal, a collection off plastics at sea on DDE, the function of Ga Jin, guardians of the sea off our fishermen should be acknowledged and proper financial resources should be given to the advisory councils as well. They have a very in depth knowledge over the particularly particular territories. In their specific features on DDE, the regionalization off policies set out in our plans, it is vital to make sure that the E. M F f this simplified as far as possible so that operators that can get full benefit from this on. Then there’s the issue off Brexit under the threat of negative effects on the fisheries on DTH e e m f f appropriate support measures need to be put in place. Set to deal with the consequences. Thank you. Thank you for your comments, Mrs Dodds. Thank you. Chair on. Thank you. To the commission for making the presentation in relation to the M F. F. You say that 40% off the money is committed, 23% is actually spent. Is there any break dine on high? That money is is spent as invasive a support for coastal communities versus sustainable fisheries on dhe anti. We, um, on on a meeting, sort of scientific projects to actually make sure that they have, Ah, more sustainable fishery going into the future. Um, the one thing that you would expect me to raise is the issue of Brexit. Um, the United Kingdom is due tomorrow to get a new prime minister. Whoever that prime minister turns out to be has indicated that we will be leaving the European Union on the 31st of October. I have listened very carefully to how you have looked at, um, the money’s on dhe on the issue off the M f f. And I don’t see where you intend to support fisheries in the event that there is not a deal with the United Kingdom. Um, I think that with the continuing fairly tough stand off the commission, um ah, nde the position in the UK Parliament were at his dame that the backstop is unacceptable. I think that there is a very real possibility that the United Kingdom will leave without a deal. I don’t want that. I have said repeatedly in these committees and in Parliament that we should leave in an orderly fashion with the proper deal and everything worked out so that everyone is certainly. But I’m just interested in how you are going to look at the e M f f how you’re going to support fisheries because the United Kingdom will take back control of it sees. And therefore there will have to be negotiations and agreement with the United Kingdom on potential ramifications for Europe’s fishery sector. Thank you very much. Okay, For time reasons, I asked the commission to come back. I’ll take some other questions first, but I take it the commission has noted that specific question. Mr Mrs says, right, Shaina. That’s bullshit. To dunk a belt, Thank you very much tear. I can agree with the last question that was asked on Brexit uh from the Netherlands. In my country, this is a very important question. I was recently in the United Kingdom. We actually drafted a letter about this. So I very much agree with the last comment. I said the question about the 45% in the 32% What exactly is that paying for? And another question. Another point. Now. We can’t have a situation where right now we’re researching for research sake. We’re looking at the fisheries that which also has their own figures available. So the question is, what is the aim of all of this research? What is it we want to be targeting? The fact is, in the Netherlands, the Fishers have got their own figures but our main university of opening and is busy doing its research. And it’s doing a research just for a research sake. And it’s all busy with its own investigations and with fishermen, have already got all their figures ready and lined up for us. So I think we really need to stay on top of things. As a comedian, I think it’s very important to consider that thank you, Mr Ferreira. Thank you very much. Chair, I’d like to, uh, thank the commission representative for joining us today and also thank you for the information she’s given us. Let me just say that Ah, with respect to the M f, I tend to have a different opinion from that that’s been expressed by the commission. We actually don’t think that we can consider the current situation satisfactory with respect to Zeke went into the payments levels. Now all of the various factors that were raised by the commission of course, need to be considered. But we think that there’s room for improvement and all this really is based on the fact that the fund is oriented in a certain way. It really needs to tackle realities and the actual issues facing the fishery sector. So it might be useful if the European Commission, when as we reach the end of the current financial framework and programming period that the commission, instead of trying to gild the lily and say that everything’s OK nw, it’s all going to be fine by the end that we shouldn’t worry that perhaps the commission instead should start withdrawing the certain issues and moving them to the next programming period because, unfortunately it looks like we’re not going. Thio be able to meet our objectives now. And there’s not much set for the next period yet, So it would be useful what we saw, what the Parliament decided and said at the end of the last legislative term, with respect to the e m f f. And it would be helpful if the’s comments made by the parliament back then could be taken on board fully by the commission that we would avoid these sorts of knee jerk reactions rejecting outright various points that have been made by the Parliament in its proposals. I think also no, I don’t know if the commission is considered this, but I’m looking at various points for discussion and the fact that we cannot be happy with the current situation, given the circumstances, even comparing it again and all of the various other structural funds that it would be useful if it this point, the commission could also, in addition to thinking to the future programming period, try to think about what sort of preparatory work could be done. For instance, the commission, for instance, might propose pilot projects or preparatory actions. It’s not common that the commission would do that, but perhaps it I could launch the challenge to the commission for that as to what could possibly consider it in terms of pilot projects or preparatory actions, any new actions in the area of fisheries that they might envisage. Now I know this isn’t a common form of proceeding, but perhaps I can also take this opportunity to ask the commission’s of what its view is about the pilot projects that have already been adopted in this area. I’m thinking particularly of one which is support measures for small, scary coastal fisheries and artisanal fisheries. There was also a pilot project that was adopted in this area, and I don’t know if the commission could tells anything at this stage about how that pilot project was going. Yes, I’m just wrapping up now, so I’d like to hear the commission has to say about the this pilot project. Thank you. Got two other speakers and I’m closing the list there. So that’s three. Okay, 33 other speakers on Mrs says Mr Delay. What? You don’t see it? I see that. Thank you, John. Wealthy availability of appropriate financial measures. Four. Fisher is this absolutely vital, of course. And if we’re to achieve the objectives of the common policy so it agree with the general thrust of the opinion has drafted by the chair. But I will would put table certain amendments along the lines of what our coordinator, Mrs Conti said. Andi, I just like to add something about coastal regions. I’m from Sicily and I represented that Sicily Onda, Sardinia, on dhe. Recent you measures have really penalized the sector in these areas. 982 of 19 on provisions for fisheries in the area off the C g P M agreement limiting fishing in the channel off Sicily Onda, the Izmit on DDE the was an improvement on the Commission A commissions original proposal. But this really does penalize our fisheries in our island. There are legitimate requirements for sustainability, but fisheries on maritime affairs are a source of economic growth. Andi make an active contribution to the areas concerned. A management of nah, tral resources and the socioeconomic dimensions of fisheries for local communities are very important on coastal and island. Fishing is very important. There are a lot of families depend on those resources and those depending on fisheries, are penalized by additional costs. Andi, I think the’s should be compensated for by additional resources, so we will table certain amendments, and I do hope that colleagues will be able to support them. A. Thank you. Thank you, Mr Monty. Thank you at year and thank you to the commission representative for the presentation. Opinion before us is off course suggestions into a motion for a resolution on die No. 2.3 that discusses more than half of the union supply officials. Products come from international waters and exclusive economic zones. Of the country’s off course, one spreads, it happens, that proportion will grow considerably on that point. Three does point to need for adequate and reliable budgeted provisions in 2020 moving on to 0.10. It draws reference to Brexit, and it says that most importance needs to be given to establishment off new financial budgetary famous for 2021 27. But as Mrs Dodds has pointed out, there’s no reference to what might happen in 2020. It does seem odd to me that with the possibility off a no deal Brexit that there is no mention of this in the suggestions for a resolution. Has there been any provision for a adjustment to the budget where the United Kingdom to leave, whether it be on the 31st October or any point before 2020 any financial provision being made on? If not, would it not be advisable to add a clause into this opinion that in fact, some provisions should be made so that there can be adequate support provided for fisheries once Britain takes back control off its fisheries itself? Thank you reported hearing the response from the Commission on Fire. No speak with Mister Vito. You should be too much. I bought with my balls. I will. I would just like to take the floors. Others have done to bear witness toothy difficulties As representative off the novella Kitaen region, we have had difficulties with regard to the funds, some agriculture, fisheries and so on. But wth e. I’m glad to see that the region’s have mobilized to make sure that the funds really do work and are effective as we’re having a debate on the budget. Looking at the strong points and weak points today, I would like to mention one point about the e m f Oh, sorry. On the agreements with other countries on DSS state that of course, we need agreements with countries. Andi, I think the Brexit issue will lead us to that. But I think maybe we need to think about a global approach. I have difficulties with the idea of having agreements with particular countries. When you’re talking about a mobile and moving resource. When we’re talking about Guinea Bissau or Mauritania, we know that Senegal’s fish resources may be impacted by that as well. So before concluding those agreements, I think we need to think him or global terms a global approach on dhe. The same goes when we talk about Brexit. This country is leaving the you may need to strike agreements for sustainable management, off fish resources, whether this country is a member offthe e u or not. So this brings us back once again to the need for a global approach on then a brief comment. This committee is the committee on the Fisheries. I think that’s a bit reductive, or fear that in any case, I mean, when we’re talking about fish and fisheries resources, I don’t think we should just talk about fisheries wth e e M f f consent, agriculture, the seas, fissures fishing. So maybe we should be thinking in terms of incorporating the seas or ocean in our name and what we do because I think that’s the key to what we do we’re talking about, Um What? What is taken from the sea by fishermen? We need to look beyond the primary activity. We on dhe include the quality of ecosystems and the oceans as well. Thank you. Look forward to hearing your response to the first time we debate a fishing fisheries partnership agreement. So So can I ask Mrs Correa for the commission to respond to the points made by members? Thank you, President. Indeed, quite a rich debate. Let me start by the Brexit question because he was raised by a number of vulnerable members. So, of course, we all expect that the that the UK leaving the European Union will be made in an orderly manner and on the basis of the agreed withdrawal agreement. This being said, if that wouldn’t be the case the commission approved and it was approved also by the call as latest, a series of preparedness measures, including for all fisheries and maritime affairs. These measures were adopted on the 25th of March last on DDE for our area. They include basically two things. On the one hand, they include the possibility that member states most affected and the fleets most affected by a possible withdrawal of access to UK waters would be able to mobilize these additional funds for temporary cessation E payments to fishermen who are unable to go out and fish. That’s one of the measures we have foreseen. The other measure is a change to our fishing licensing on authorization system to allow for granting of individual licenses for fishery, for fishermen allowed to fish in UK waters as 1\/3 country, these were the preparedness measures we have adopted and we know that there’s lots of uncertainty. But we hope that these two measures will give some stability and certainty to our fishermen in terms of different questions about what the actual what the fund is actually doing. Because, of course I’ve given you numbers on implementation. This is very dry. What we want to know is actually what the fund is achieving, it will be very long for me to give you a detailed account. But if the president agrees, I would be sending the secretariat report, which we do every year on what the structural funds actually do in member states and also a link to a database where we have all the projects funded by the E M f f. And there you see what is being done in different member states with our fund. I think that’s probably the shortest answer to the different to the different questions which were raised, um, on the implementation figures, I think we can look at the glass half empty or at the glass half full. Of course, the fact that we have actually spent 23% of the fund that we plan it with that 45% are committed per se can be interpreted in different ways. I prefer to see the glass half full, not only because we have achieved enormous progress in the last two years, but also a CZ A member has put it. I think we need to acknowledge Lige the enormous efforts being done by national and regional authorities to make sure that the opportunities offered by the fund or taken up on the ground in terms of small scale fisheries, there were few questions asked as well. The e m f f foresees a special treatment for, um, a small scale fisherman and in some cases even ah Nate intensity rate of 100%. So this is already a very clear signal that the M F F supports small scale fishermen. Also, for the next proposal for the next period, we have proposed even to reserve some types of measures like, for example, buying a secondhand vessel or modernizing an engine. We have proposed to reserve these measures to small scale fisherman, So we are indeed aware that these fishermen have specific needs. A final answer on the S f. P. A s. I think you have a discussion this afternoon on a number of US f p ace with my colleagues. There is indeed this global approach to sustainability, and there is indeed ah, taking up concerns in terms of the environmental and social economic sustainability of local fleets. But my colleagues are much more of expert in those areas, and I’m sure they’ll be very happy to answer your questions. This afternoon I would stop here, but of course, if ever there are any follow up questions, I’m happy to think them of bilaterally or in writing. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Amendments are due in by noon on Thursday. And please note that a CZ chairs Reppetto. I will automatically table amendments countering the proposals from the council to to cut the budget. So you have the chance to vote on that. And you needn’t table separate amendments to deal with that issue. Okay, thank you very much. Next item is, uh, the director General from TD Mary. Who is here? I think so. Members, I very much welcome Mr Machado, the director general of DJ Marry. To address this, you’ll know that the director general has Bean in his post 45 years for four years. Four years? You probably also know that he’s departing shortly for for new opportunities. This means that he has got the opportunity, of course, to give us a no holds barred description of the off the issues we face. I’m sure I’m sure during your time you’ll be you can point to some notable achievements and success is because they have bean such successes. You can also highlight some of the difficulties we face across Europe sees So, Mr Machado, the floor is yours. Thank you very much. Crease and honorable members off the new pack. Patrick a meaty I wanted first of all to thank you very much for inviting me for these. OK, Shin on the opportunity to your meeting and to have an exchange of views on methods related to the oceans and fisheries policy. Most of you, I’m would be meeting for the first time. But I also see some familiar faces around and that is always very, very good. I would like to start by expressing my and my service is deep sadness by the tragic news that arrived to us last week from the Azores where I come from Ah, that Andhra bread 4th 1 of your colleagues that was supposed to see tear in these committee regrettably passed away at an early age. He was a very committed politician representative off the region, and I’m sure that he would have made a very substantial contribution to the work off your committee. And of course I think all our sorts now our release family, we doing my express my deepest condolences and solidarity. I would like first Ah crease to congratulate you on your election to the European Parliament. And I would like to start by re assuring you of the full support that you will hear from me. And from my service is whenever necessary whenever requested. And we look look forward to working very closely with you and to continue our constructive cooperation with this committee and let me also welcome in particular the new members off this committee off the world’s off seas and oceans, Feet res and maritime affairs is a fascinating policy which concerns all of us seas and oceans covert around 70% of our planets. They are crucial for human life for our well being and that for future generations, both as a supplier off, I’ll eat nutritious food, clean and abundant energy and other natural resources. And as a regulator of our climate and many off the Earth’s natural cycles and as a driver of economic drove gross and technological innovation and then a source off inspiration, imagination and humility For a large number of citizens, the sea is also part off there everyday life. More than one other 70,000,000 Europeans leave in coastal regions and around 40% of the world’s population leaves less than 160 kilometers from the sea. Our oceans connect as old Elsie and sustainable seasoned oceans are a precondition for a thriving fishing sector and for prosperous coastal communities. These committee as traditionally very much focused on fisheries. But I think the time has come to recognize that we have to address ocean issues in a more or less stick manner. Free trees, blew economy and ocean governance are closely linked and interdependence, and I trust that this committee can play a crucial role in further promoting such holistic policy approx today, I would like to share read you my views on our key priorities for the next months to come. It goes without saying that this is without tragedies to possible concrete initiatives which may be decided by the new College of Commissioners once it takes up its mandate. One thing seems clear to me. Oceans will inevitably feature I on the political agenda off our next bond dates. This so called European Green deal is the first priority off the agenda for Europe, which the president elect off. The European Commission presented last week to these halls. European elections have shown that preserving our planet and our eco systems is at the heart off citizens concerns throughout Europe, and we must listen to these concerns. The Green Deal is about making Europe the first climate neutral continent. Oceans do not only provides evidence of climate change from more violent storms and rising sea levels to coral bleaching, less loss of biodiversity or the placement off fish stocks. But oceans also offer solutions. They absorb around 25% of greenhouse guys emissions and 90% off the world’s surplus. Eat and fighting climate change will require using the potential of our oceans, for example, for food and energy production. The grain deal is also about preserving our biodiversity, which includes the conservation and protection off our season notions and requires new standards cutting across trade, industry, agriculture, fisheries and economic policy. More generally, feet freeze management’s will naturally be an integral part. Off these efforts towers protecting the Orso’s. The Green deal is also above sustainable food along the whole value chain. One of the key objectives of our common fisheries policy is not a ble to ensure the traceability, security and quality off products marketed in the U European Union imports around 60% off with seafood, making it the world’s biggest seafood markets. This is a powerful lever to promote sustainable seafood as allow carbon food source. Agriculture can play a kill role in this regard, and the green deal is also about continuing our fight against plastic pollution to avoid that in a couple of years or decades, we find more plastic in the ocean by weight, then fish our work to avoid abundance, lost or disposed fishing gear, which represents around 27% off. Marine leader. We’ll continue with your support. With the support of this committee, the green deal will actually also be a blue deal, or at least contained many nuances off blue. But before looking ahead, let me briefly turn back for a while and recall just some of the key issues on which we together made real progress. During the last five years, we have adopted four muti and roll management plans for managing fisheries, one for the Baltic Sea, one for the North Sea, one for the so called Western waters, which is northeast Atlantic and one for the western Mediterranean. The first ever moody and our plan in this fragile sea basin, which is the Mediterranean. We also adopted new and simplified rules on the conservation off fishery resources and the protection off marine ecosystems. The so called technical measures regulation and we agreed on new rules for the sustainable management of our external fishing fleet and on a new data collection framework. The work on all these issues has clearly shown one thing where the parliament and the commission work ending end and share a common visa rial progress can be made to ensure the environmental, economic and social sustainability over you fisheries and to keep our oceans FC over the wrong. Sir, the challenge that we are facing today are huge. They range from addressing the impacts of climate change on our oceans, toe fighting loss off viol diversity in marine ecosystems, from tackling marine pollution to preserving the livelihood of our fishermen and the future off Europe’s coastal communities. At the beginning off these new parliamentary term, important work lies ahead of us in concrete terms. We have to agree on a new European maritime and fisheries found to ensure adequate funding for the next programming period that starts in 2021. We also have to reform our fisheries control system. That is obviously not any longer feet for purpose anymore. And we have to reach by 2020 the so called maximum sustainable yield, the so called M S y, which is the maximum care touch that can be extracted from a fish population. In the long term, we does arming the ability off the stock to reproduce Mandy. And we have also to implement the so called lending obligation which fully entered into force the first of January off this year. And bands prohibits to return to the sea off unwanted catches sold called the practice off this car and we need also urgently to reverse. It’s the worrying situation in the Mediterranean, which is still the most overfished see in the world. Let me be very clear these our times when more than ever, we need a common vision off sustainable fisheries when we need more ambition, not less. And when we have to reconfirm our common objectives to keep the oceans, Elsie, not weaken it, let me go a bit into more detail on each off these challenging, challenging objectives. The regulation off the common features policy is very clear. Maximum sustainable yield needs to be reached by 2020. We have made good progress towers. The started over the last years in many parts of the U fisheries are Agra ble in the best shape they have bean for decades. This year, two sides of 19 the number off total allowable catches the so called tax that are set in line with the maximum sustainable yield further increased to 59. These represents 78% off old tax that are assessed. Stocks and fishing pressure on the fish stocks continues to decrees in the northern Atlantic. As a results, fish stocks continue to be rebuilt. The average biomass in the North Atlantic is now 36% higher than it was in 2003. That clearly show that when we fished sustainably, it also pays off not just for the environment but for the economy as well. More sustainable fisheries improve not just the biomass off the stocks, but also the overall social economic performance off the you fleet. The U fleet continues to make record I profits around one point 3,000,000,000 euros in 2070. However, we cannot be complacent and much remains to be done, especially in the Mediterranean and the Black Sea, in particular the state off the meeting. Mediterranean stocks remain extremely worried. In the Mari Nostrum, around 87% off stocks are currently being overfished. We are collectively responsible for improving the situation in the Mediterranean. We need to intensify our efforts, not close the highs to the reality. But worrying signs have also recently arrived from the Baltic Sea, where important stocks such as Western airing and eastern court are in a very poor condition. We are aware that, at least for called this is not only due to fishing pressure, but to a variety of factors and steal immediate action is requires. The commission, therefore adopted, will adopt today emergency measures to save the eastern Baltics store from the in paving collapse. This would be catastrophic for the lively would off many fishermen and coastal communities around the Baltic Sea on the bases off scientific advice. The commission is currently preparing its proposals for fishing opportunities in the various sea basins for 2020. This so called total allowable catches will be decided by member states in the council in the auto for stocks in the Baltic and North Seas and in North Atlantic. They will be set on the basis off the muti, an old management plants. The main objective off the commission proposals, as I said, will be to reach maximum sustainable yield for all assess talks by 2020. No doubt this will be very challenging and require collective efforts by all actors involved. If the U wants to continue to be a global leader for ocean sustainability, we must live up to our own standards and meet our legal obligations within our own seed basics. Another challenge we are facing is the information implementation off the lending obligation for unwanted catches. The landing obligation should lead the fishing sector toe truth more selective and changing fishing patterns in view of reducing unwanted catches as much as possible. As I said in January 2019 the landing obligation is fully applicable toe all commercial fisheries in European waters and also to European vessel. Lt’s fishing in the eye sees. However, many member states still face important challenges in implementing the landing obligation, and the sector remains very critical. Towers thes key element off our common fisheries policy several members off the previous Pash committee if also openly questioned the principal off the landing obligation. As such, we are working closely with member states to encourage them to make use off the full range off available tools which can facilitate implementation off the landing obligation and to better use also available funds to invest in more selective gear and better fishing techniques. And we are also carefully checking that all requests from member states for exemptions from the landing obligation are duly juicy fight and based on sound scientific advice. If this is the case, these exemptions, which are the so called discards plans, are adopted by the commission in the form off delegated acts which are scrutinized by the European Parliament and the Council. Who can object to that? However, compliance with the landing obligation remains a key concern. There are many indications, including commission audits and initiatives by the European Fishes Control Agency, that member states do not sufficiently control and monitor the implementation off the landing obligation we need. New and innovative control systems such as conventional controls have proven to be inadequate. It’s the application off remote Elektronik monitoring systems are the most effective means for member states to ensure control and enforcement off the lending obligation at sea. This is why the commission, as proposed, the used off closed secret television or so called CCTV in our proposal for a revised control regulation. I am fully aware that several members in the previous Pash committee, including the former rapper Tour, have been very critical cowards. CCTV on board met mainly for reasons off personal data protection. I can assure you that ensuring data protection is also a key concern for the commission and that we will make all that is necessary that privacy data he’s protected. But our proposal foresees that future footage from CCTV s should be recorded locally within the vessels and on Lee be made available to member states officials or union inspectors in case of inspections, investigations or audits. They would not be continuously transmitted to the member states. Competent authorities, I have to say, and I want to threaten me this point that in times where each overs each over the citizens, we are filmed when walking through a shopping mall or stopping at the gas station, I really failed to understand the justification for excluding CC TV’s in certain well defined zooms off a vessel vessels that are involved in an economic activity in a space that belongs to all of us. This is not about intruding in fishermen’s pre privacy. The sea is probably the only effective means which allows us to control if the rules which you, the members of the European Parliament, have decided together with the concert and to ensure that these rules are respected. Talking about control, I wanted also to be clear in one points. The success or failure off the common fisheries policy depends on whether we will be able to ensure its effective implementation or not. We will not be able to achieve maximum sustainable yields and to effectively implement the landing obligation with dialed reforming our control system. The current control system is not fit for purpose since it reflects consoles, strategies and methodologies off more than 10 years ago. The commission proposal for a revised fisheries control system foresees the modernization of controls, the use of new technologies and an equitable treatment off all operations. We have proposed to phase out paper based tools and to organize the criteria for serious infringements. In this way, the new control regulation can create a level playing fields in all member states. When it comes to enforcement off the common fisheries policy, it is no endurance to seize the opportunity and adopt an ambitious and more than regulation, which is feet for purpose and allows us to effectively implement sustainable fisheries in union waters. I hope their discussions on these important matter can proceed swiftly in this committee so that we can modernize our control system without further delay. Let me now say a few words on the pending commission proposal for the new European maritime and fisheries farms E M F f for the period 2021 2027 which is probably the most urgent file that you we left you will have to deal with at the end off the last legislature in April, the previous parliament adopted its first reading on the M F F. A couple of months later, in June, the council adopted its partial general approach. Both Brazil positions off the council in the parliament go into the same direction and we they have coast deep concern and these appointment within the commission. What we see with these positions goes the opposite way from the core objectives of our common fisheries policy, to which we jointly committed only six years ago. To be very frank with you, the E M f f discussions give me the SAT feeling that our collective commitment, our sustainable fishing is sinking and that we are abandoning our joint ambition. It is not accessible, in my view, that taxpayers money is used in a way that would be operas, eyes the common fisheries policy and be contrary, tow the European Union’s international commitments. Unfortunately, some of the elements, if re introduced in the future, am FF risk doing precisely that we are about to make a dangerous step backwards, which will not only affect the sustainability off our fisheries, but also undermined our credibility internationally as champions off sustainable fishing and promoters off the sustainable development goals. It is no help to you as new members off this committee to decide if this is what you want. Let me briefly explain our concerns on the three most problematic amendments in the parliament. First reading. Firstly, investment in small scale scale fishing vessels would extend the scope off support to new vessels and weaken the related conditionality that exists. Currently, such support for the construction of fishing vessels significantly alter the objective off the proposal and could result in over capacity in the sector with damaging impact on achieving sustainable fisheries. Secondly, you subsidies for vessel construction ended in 2004 precisely because they contributed to the created to the situation off a very serious overcapacity in you fishing fleet, which results into intern in high levels of overfishing off manifest stocks. Reintroducing such subsidies now will not be in line with a common fisheries policy that we decided together in 2013 and Woods contradict our international commitments in the context off the SDG Sustainable Development Goal 14 and Joe Paradies as well the use well established international position in young going negotiations under the World Trade Organization. Importantly, it would also crawled out funding for other, more importantly, investments in sustainability, such as improvements to selectivity and introduce destructions in the level playing field between fishing industries in different member states. The M F F should address, in my view certain market failures but not replace the market with unjustified subsidies, especially in a sector which has been showing record profits over the last few years that four the introduction off such subsidies would lead to significant tow. It is significant destruction off the off the position. I want to be clear here and dispel enemies on the sending about the commission position. We are in favor off subsidies that improve working conditions on board. We are in favor or financing investment that improve safety on board, but these can be made without increasing capacity. What we failed to see is why you need investments to build completely new vessels. Thirdly, off our concerns is the deletion off the 30% contribution off the M F F to climate objectives which seriously weakens your resulting horizontal mainstreaming off climate action across the multi annual financial framework, the commission has replied in detail, tow the various amendments adopted by the parliament and do some of which are just I light it and you can read them our reply, which is publicly available in all languages and again. My service is and I remain off course available and ready to further explain our position before we enter into try lox during the upcoming trial logs, member states and the parliament. After this, I have to decide if they want to stick to their commitment, our sustainable fisheries or not, whether they want to live up to the expectations of the next generation or not, whether they want to move forward or backwards. Sink long term for short When meeting with a candidate for commission president a few weeks ago, most of your political groups called for the sustainability to be one of the first priorities for the you got me the president elect and we have listened. But we hope that sustainability remains a priority also for you. As member off these commitments on remembers the you I want to touch on two other points before concluding the U is also a major fishing nation but also a major maritime power. And, as I said, the largest single market for fishery products in the world. We therefore have a responsibility to advance you sustainability standards at international level and to help keeping the oceans and seas Elsie clean, safe and secure not only within our borders but worldwide. We need to address global challenges and at the same time to secure a level playing field for our operators challenge and opportunities that see our shares and transboundary in nature. Our leadership is crucial to preserve and strengthen a multilateral rules based order. This is why we need to act at all. Evers you level regional but also internationally. Our main tools and instruments to promote better governance and sustainable fisheries worldwide are the work in international organizations and for oh including at United Nations level, the work on regional fisheries management organizations, moody lateral and bilateral fisheries agreements, international trade policy and our policy to fight illegal, unreported and unregulated fisheries. So called Are you policy. This committee will follow very closely our work on sustainable fisheries partnership agreements and on I, you and my colleagues from my service is will be coming this afternoon to speak with you to some of these topics already equally interlinked with you. Fisheries policy and therefore off direct relevance to dis committee is our work to developed the so called sustainable blue economy with our sustainable blue economy policy, we want to enable you communities and companies to benefit from a dynamic ocean economy which fully respects social and environmental equilibrium. The value off the use blue economy is likely to double in the next decade and could reach one trillion euros by 2030. This is twice the gross domestic product off Belgium. Emergency actors from renewable energy, energy and offshore agriculture to maritime surveillance and blue biotechnology are reshaping and diversifying the maritime industry. I hope that we can work closely together also with this committee to put in place the context the conditions in which our economic operators from emerging and traditional sectors can thrive in the wider ocean economy. Honorable Herman members before concluding, let me say a few final words on Brexit. As you know, the commission continues to work on the assumption over northerly depart stir on the basis off the negotiated withdrawal agreement, which includes a transition period and bilateral negotiations leading to a long term agreement on economic relations after 2020 after the transition periods and for the long term relationship with you. Kay. Our main objective will be to secure a sustainable use off the over 100 fish stocks that will become shared with UK from one day to the other based negotiations, which will be based on the guidelines drafted by the Council in 2018. This challenge is enormous. We currently share with Norway around seven stocks and the negotiations are difficult. Every we look 19 kingdom from one day to the next, we will ever owned 100 chair stocks that we will need to negotiate with. However, the risk over no deal scenario has increased, as you know, over the last months and the commission as also prepares very carefully for the scenario over so called art Brexit. I sincerely hope that in the case brags it should happen. We will be able to continue our sexual fisheries relationship with United Kingdom beyond the dates off the dribble. Honorable members, I want to thank you once again for the opportunity to have these exchange of views today with you and I look forward to exchanging and trying to read if I to any questions you may have, I’m regret I’m sorry for being a bit long, but I saw this was the first good off pink or occasion to paint you a panorama. And I have not entered in many off the issues that will be dealt already later this afternoon like S F. P. A s fisheries agreements or other situations. But I would we ready to try to reply to any questions that you may have. And again, we are very owners to working with you, looking forward to have close cooperation and to work and in end with discrimination. Thank you very much. Well, thank you, Mr Machado. You said many important things my ***, that overfishing in the Mediterranean. 87% you said. And that presumably means that every single day, the single, the situation gets worse. And you have to question you as the commission has to ask yourselves whether despite the fact that a number of measures have been introduced, whether you’re doing enough given the State of Affairs second point, I just like to raise before asking the coordinators to two into the debate. Is this point about the M. F f? You have said that the amendments adopted by the parliament puts the situation create a situation where we may be undermining the sustainability objectives of the common fisheries policy. And personally, I agree with you. But do not expect the Parliament to change its position. Institutionally, we are now defending a position It was adopted at first reading. Our negotiators have been given a mandate. They will go in to negotiate with the Council. You may not like that. I may not like that. The power is with you. If the commission wishes to withdraw that proposal and start again, that’s that’s with you. But the parliament is now in a position where it is so you know you can express your sentence, but you do understand the situation. Don’t. But don’t. If you like, you don’t avoid the reality that you have it. You have an opportunity to change things if you wish. We do not necessarily have the opportunity. Now, um, we have about an hour to put quest. Well, yes. I’m allowed to express my personal view. I’m also defending the committee in the Parliament’s position. I hope you accept that, right. We have about an hour I want I don’t want to group questions. If it’s possible, I’d like I’d like short questions and get an answer. And you know, Rob, rather than having sort of a generality. So we start with coordinators in theory for up to three minutes. But but if you can keep that less, I’d be grateful. And then one minute interventions from from other members. So, Mister, me and Mom thank you. Chair and thank you to Dr General for coming here. And thank you also for the efforts that you’ve made over these years because you’ve always been open Thio reacting. That’s, um worth quite a lot here in Brussels s Oh, thank you. On Dhe for the future Commission, I’m happy to see that the commission is aware of sustainability environmental issues which of course we all are, but also the economic and social aspects and how it fishing catches unemployment. We know that sustainability sustainability is important. But we also have men and women working day today in thief fishery sector fishing, processing except et cetera. We ah, starting a new parliament on dhe. You referred to the fund? Yes, we’re all getting familiar with the fund. It’s going to be a complex issue. I don’t want to open a whole debate on that, but in line with what the chair said, we’ll all know that this report waas passed on first reading by about 500 members. Um, on DDE perhaps, uh, there are things that the commission don’t like, but they’ll be try log. They’ll be dialogue on DDE. Parliament will be constructed to try to reach understandings, but nobody’s questioning the fund or the international commitments that we’ve taken. But what we’re talking about is improving, Um, the conditions on sustainability on vessels And, you know, this is extremely important for the future generations. If living conditions don’t improve the future generations every won’t have any fishermen left. Uh, there have been, ah reports in the British press on Dhere. We have a fisherman saying they won’t. There are no fisherman left in our village. People don’t want The fathers don’t want their children to go into this profession. We’re talking about better way of life. We’re not talking about increasing fishing capacity. Yes, we’re going to have try logs and we’ll try to reach a consensus in the technical matters. For example, I remember there was criticism of the Latin was taken, But at the end of the show, we reached an agreement in trial lock Mr Matters up a tone. That and I very much hope that we’ll reach an agreement, a balanced agreement between the three institutions. That’s why we’re all here. Then a few specific questions as the chair asked, Um, landing obligation. Um uh, What is gonna happen? That and then what’s happening are further on 2022. Is it going to be a new safety? And then also, can you explain the situation on the northern border of Mauritania? There’s some kind of blockage and every earth two weeks or so the same thing happens. And fishermen from my constituency are very concerned about this there. 11 vessels that have been that are affected basically on a weekly basis by about the situation. Thank you. Thank you, M f. Then the obligation. My retainer. Okay. Thank you very much for your questions. Ah, yes, onto us. Well, I know that the parliament adopted first reading proposal reading position, thes committee, as many new members. I think it’s good toe make clear what are the concerns of the commission? And we also share that during the trial logs. We hope that we can find a constructive solution to these concerns, but I think it’s, uh, uh my duty to come here and express the points off, concerned that the commission as well regard to the position. Then it’s up to you then to decide where how you’re going to approach the tri locks landing obligation. Well, the landing obligation, of course. Ah, requires that fisherman changed the way they have been fishing in the past, that they induct more selective gears. That they have different fishing techniques and these employees in requires an effort and certainly cost for a reputation. But landing obligation was decided drunk lead by the Parliament and the council, and I think that you want as to implement and enforce it. So the question today is alabaster in force. Eat the commission as being discussing things two years or more with the member states. First, the use off the different policy tools that are available in the common official policy. Secondly, the EU’s off funds that the M F F provide and when I look at the farm’s being used, they are not being used very much. The funds are available are not being fully used, so s so there are means. I’m not saying this is an easy it’s a difficult one, but I think what we don’t want is that this policy that WAAS co decided by you on the council back in 2013 that it’s completely disregarded, and that’s the practice off, discarding in back to see continues and the point that I was making. If we want to control these effectively, it’s only through CCTV cameras. I mean, you cannot control what’s happening at sea by aerial surveys or other traditional means. We should have no illusions. And again, my point. I understand that it was very controversial, the use of cameras on board. But the point I wanted to make is that even truck drivers, they have systems on board that monitor when this stopped when they sleep on this, I mean, we don’t want to have cameras in all over the vassals, but on certain areas where the fish comes in so that you can see what is happening. The decision is the disease is yours. If you want a proper implementation, we need proper means, off control and effective things. Then the new C F P after 2021. As you know, the common. The regulation on the C F. P provides that by the end of 2022 the commission will come to the confident of the parliament with a report on the implementation of the C f. D. And I think following the discussion off that report, then we will ever discussion. Does it need to be reformed. In what direction? When will the reform happen? My personal view. I think this it will be happening only off course by the dates later in these Mondays. And because we need first to really a very urgent issue. Two very important issues One is the full implementation off the current policy. Secondly, digest Brexit which will have an impact policy if B and the one wewant. We have seen the implications off these two. Then can we be better inform to then discuss what direction should we go in the future? Mauritania. This was raised already last week by my team that was in about discussed with Moroccan authorities. This is being raised today in Mauritanian by a team that left yesterday from Brussels and will be there this week. S o. People are aware they are trying to find a solution. But until now the discussions are taking place with authorities in the different government. He’s a killer. Thank you very much. Chair. Welcome to Director General Machado. Welcome back. Perhaps we could start with what we ended off some crisis of Mauritania. It is a problem. It doesn’t have an easy solution, but there was holding our fishermen for 78 days at a stretch. You have to see what sort of measures could be taken. I know you’re on the case, and I hope you can contribute to clarifying the situation. I’ve got a question about Brexit, which you did touch upon. I wonder if you’re Director General is already working on post October 31 scenarios. I very much fear will have Boris Johnson across the table from us. That’s not good news. So my question for you is what sort of work of you doing in terms of preparing fisheries agreements? Are you already working on that? Have you been making progress? Because fisheries is a very delicate subject, as all policy areas are. But I just want like to know what your director general has been doing in this particular area. Morocco. We see. We’re very pleased to see that our fishing fleet is, ah, back in Moroccan waters. This is huge news for the Spanish fleet in particular. Also, it was Vietnam. We will be having an opinion on Vietnam on the fisheries agreement there. But let me just tell you now that Vietnam has a yellow card for fisheries. I’d like to know what the commission’s you is, what your view is on this agreement above and beyond all of the trade considerations which don’t affect us. But whether the idea of having a major agreement with the country that has a yellow card in terms of are you fishing is advisable and whether we can make it clear to the commission just how important that ISS. So I’d like to hear your views on that aquaculture now that was very briefly touched upon here. I know there’s so many things to deal with in such little time, but I think that aqua culture in Europe does need a bit of a boost. We’re actually going backwards instead of forwards. There are other parts of the world. There are other countries where they’re really investing in aquaculture and we’re seeing growth there. Aquaculture is a very interesting alternative. Instead of making progress, we’re actually doing the opposite. I think we need to give it more of a boost and more help to this sector in general in the years to come just wrapping up. That was a lot of work that’s going to be done with E M F f with the agreement that has been made at the parliament. A lot of respect for the work that you do. I’m not going to get into that discussion right now. But really, we haven’t got much time and and I’m going to say, Well, we’re good friends, you know, you’re not around for much longer. So let’s just stick with the friendship and knock it into the unpleasant bits. But the opinion that was adopted here in the Parliament had a clear majority behind it. It reflects many different perspectives. But I can tell you this and this just a personal opinion. One of the problems we see in the low implementation of the current M f is really how it’s been done. It’s true. The operational programs were adopted quite late in the day. I’m wrapping up chair, but the M F F took the decisions and measures that were simply impossible to implement. And I hope that we’ll get a second chance to do it right. Thank you very much. And my apologies, Chair for going over time. Thank you. Just to let you know that we will be discussing Vietnam in more detail This afternoon. But there’s a key point here, of course, which is, if you want. If you want to stop illegal fishing, if you want to put some pressure on that country, it’s when you’re negotiating the trade agreement. You know why we even thinking about negotiating the trade agreement so long as illegal fishing is continuing? Okay. Thank you. First on, Brexit insecure, very much Mrs Regulated for for your questions on Bragg’s it? Yes. My service’s have been working already on a future agreement for the last one year. One year? Enough. Uh, since the beginning, we have not yet started discussions with the consulate. There will be a mandate that the constant release you to the commission. But the groundwork is that so? We have been working on these very systematically, and we know fully what is the situation? What are the challenges and the direction that we would like to go? Vietnam? Yes. Yellow card. Yeah. The ratification off the trade agreement Certainly eat a lever, uh, to make them change. Ah, their policies. S o. Uh, The agreement has been legal. City then concluded. I think what is happening now is the ratification. The thing that you need to consider. I’ll be very clear on these, uh, to you, the changes that are required to change the u ah in Vietnam and toe move two hours more sustainable fisheries will imply adopting laws will imply changing control systems will imply more personal in the case off. Thailand took three years and 1\/2 in the case off. Taiwan took three years and 1\/2 before the card was lifted. My question is, can you use a lever off non ratification for three years? Because it will take time? This is not something that you can do one day to the other. But I would also say even if the agreement is ratifies, nothing prevents if they don’t move in the right direction. And if it’s necessary to go to a red car. Nothing prevents for from closing the You market to Vietnam’s fishery products even within after here, so that instrument is always available and that’s what we need to make sure that’s really the way I would go to you. And I think I think it’s it’s affair. Ah, a picture off the situation, then agriculture. I fully agree with you. Our country is growing again in Europe, but still much less than other parts of the world. But some of the problems that we have, because we have done a lot of work with the sector, he’s that administrative, the licensing procedure. I mean, sometimes in some member states. He took five years, five years to get the license because you need from different ministries environment from that. It’s not sure that you can use that coastal part for agriculture. Can you imagine any investor that invest for five years and then when he starts he still needs four years to get some return? I mean, no one is going to put their money into these. So we have been working, and now in my service is we are going to re start reviewing the guidelines for agriculture in you to try to move to the next ah next step. But we are fully aware, and we are trying to with the sector to reduce on simplify so that the business conditions are better for the sacker to be developed. M. F f yes, provocative. It’s useful. So you need sometimes to be provocative, but not not completely. When I see some member states asking that we reintroduce construction of subsidies for the contruction off vessels upto 40 meters e. Nothing provocative is not enough, Uh, up to 40 meters while I know that currently, for example, in the Vigo port there are 25 vessels being constructed. And in last year, five new vessels are being constructed. We’d private money, so there is no need. The vessels are being constructed. We have the need off European financing and subsidies. But I was provocative. Yes, but I think it’s important that I passed to you the feeling that we have also on the side. But again, the tri logs, I think we will be able to find common ground. Okay, Obviously, I’m looking at the clock and wanting to cover ground. So bear that in mind, please, Mr Carson. You see, Mr thank you very much, Jerry, My thanks to Director General is well, Good morning, everyone. You’ve raised a lot of points and you’ve issued a lot of challenges for the coming years. We’ve got Brexit you talked about. We talked about the future of our oceans On a more general level. Climate change, biodiversity, a lot of things at stake here, which directly affect us all right. It’s going to be one of the goals of the C F P and implementing the CF correctly so it can meet its objectives. But a little question of the reform of the c F p following the review of it, deciding whether we need to reform it or not, um, insuring implantation or to meet climate objectives, environmental objectives, biodiversity objectives, but also at the same time, too. Ensure that it helps the sector, which of course, responsible for a lot of jobs. Sure, that is the best for the coastal communities, which many of us come from. Of course, we don’t fish just for the fun of fishing for the pleasure of it it. We’re also talking about insuring food security for Europe. I think it’s important to recall that as well whenever we talk about fisheries in aquaculture. So we have this financial instrument yam ff, and it’s important for us to consider their everything that’s on the table, the various issues at stake. We want to have an ambitious budget. The parliament actually was request to increase the budget from the original proposal. We also need to be able to implement the M F F on time and correctly to ensure that it is in line with the issues being faced by the sector Course. We know this means we need to have better vessels, safer vessels, more selective gear and the industry is taking steps in that direction in responding to these concerns. And I think we need to to accompany them in that and that is one of the main objectives of the M F F. At the same time, it’s very important that the MMF respect commitments that have been undertaken at an international level by the U. So if there are concerns expressed about subsidies being harmful, well, then we need to ask that question and over the course of the trial and we will try to answer it raised the concerns typically put the question yes, good points, I agree with you. But put the points Yes, I was about to get to the questions chair. So my questions then very straightforward is the commission willing to support an increase to the budget for the M F F as proposed by the parliament. A question on Brexit as well. You already answered it, but specifically on Brexit. If there is no deal, would you be willing to act quickly as quickly as possible to get a fisheries agreement that everyone could be happy with? And finally, we all know this climate change. Biodiversity. We’ve only got about a 10 years to take decisive action. So my question is, in the next five years of this legislative term, what proposals will do Because Shin Bi made making affecting the C F P and comprehensive approach in order to take in town into account Once it’s take thank you. Let’s have ya met, Maximus, you count skinned. Thank you very much, My thanks to Mr Carter skin for those very interesting questions of this commission willing to increase the budget while commissions proposed what its proposed to that’s been made. And the proposal that we made is a nominal reduction of 5%. That’s the share of the UK financing, basically. So that’s the system that was adopted for all of the funds actually in the commission’s proposal, because commission thought one less member state, they won’t be much appetite on the part of the other member states to put even more money on the table. So our proposal was that we’ll have to see what the council in the Parliament have to say about it if they want to increase the budget or not. That’s been set for the M F. Your second point. Brexit. Yes, well, of course, if there is going to be a no deal departure, then I think, of course, we’ll do everything we can do in order to make sure that negotiations that we need to do with the UK or done as quickly as possible. Of course, you know that negotiations take takes two to tango takes to negotiate. And so it’s not enough for us to say that we want to act quickly. We’ll have to see what happens from the commission side. At least I can assure you that we’re ready to go and we will do everything that we can to come up with a agreement as quickly as possible. And finally, on the maritime policy and on the fisheries policy, I think first we need to see what the impact of Brexit will be on our policy, our fisheries policy, while continuing, of course, to implement the cfpb, and we have until the end of 2022 to come back to the council in the parliament with a report on implementation. And that, I’m sure, will be the time for us to establish next steps. I I don’t see what the point would be in bringing that process for words. Personally, I think it would be in the interest of everyone to first digest Brexit and then see what sort of adjustments will be necessary after that. Thank you. Chair And hello, Senior Machado them I’d like to address the issue of subsidies because subsidies, as we know, are a tool like me used to protect our plunder and the oceans on fish stocks. Um, as we know, the European Union has, um, ongoing negotiations in the W t. O in terms of fishery subsidies on DDE. Also, I am, you know, in terms off wth e subsidies in terms of overcapacity and overfishing and also to eliminate subsidies that contribute to illegal and unreported on regulation fisheries. Also, the European Union has signed the International Agreement on the Sustainable Development Goals as you already referred to on particularly 14.6 and which prohibits subsidies and that will cause harm by 2020. But what we see is that European Parliament and the Council in Terms positions on the M F F that we see that the container kind of contradiction and to those agreements on discussions at international level. So my question senior Machado is How can you assure us that in the coming years that subsidies will be a given that will support sustainable fishery, support sustainable jobs, sustainable communities, but that it will be done in a consistent way? That’s not actually a country thio what we’re saying externally so that our internal and I speak if good, um positive and and that externally that it is so too so that we’re not seen as a European Union off contradiction. Thank you and you kept within time. Thank you very much for your question. And this is also but the important off these on. And I think we all need to be aware. The Sustainable Development Goals Agenda 2030. Not only was ah subscribed by European Union by all ads of state and government off the U. N. Membership, including the 28 hands off states and government off the U. Among the sustainable development goals you have, as you mentioned as G 14 which is life on the water. And there you f one off the goals is to conclude by 2020 next year a negotiation in W that bands arm food subsidies that lead toa overcapacity, overfishing and also subsidies that Ah, promote. Are you fishing? First point, If we miss the 2020 that line for concluding these negotiations, I think it risks putting in Joppa the the credibility off the whole s DJ system because you start missing that lines. Secondly, I can tell you that other partners in Geneva are looking very, very, very concerned. Toe what is happening in the discussions or the M f f should not forget that the first European proposal European Union propose it’s not commissioned. European Union proposal that was put on the table of debris to two years ago wants to bang subsidies that led to a vessel construction. The negotiations have evolved. Yes, they are still being. Consensus does not yet exist. S o they are still moving. But our first proposal waas prevision off subsidies that Lehto vessel and capacity increases. And now when you see the discussions that are happening with requests to introduce subsidies to construct visit off 40 meters off 30 meters. Ah, Candies be in conformity with the positions that we are defending. I cannot see again and I want to be clear and point. It was also raised by Mr Miller Moss. Of course we want We know very well that we need also to take fully account off the difficulties off the fisherman and the need for better working conditions on board particularly. And I agree fully. If you want to attract a new generation to come to the sector, they are not prepared to leave and to work in the conditions that their parents used to work. So I come from the island were very small vessels. I know what it is living and working there, but my point is that you can improve working on the shows and you can improve safety without necessarily giving money to buy new vessels. This is the point that we need to see. Uh, okay. Yeah. Thank you. Thing is so content. I’ll get it. Director, Thank you very much for being here today On Thank you for offering this possibility to have a discussion about future changes. There are three legacy files from last. The last parliament. Andi, Uh, I’m new here, but I know that there is one in particular. Weather is a really concern. The multi annual plan for small per logics in the Adriatic On some of your staff have to find this is a zombie plan on dhe with the old you respect too. Oh, my pre dis esses. I would really like clarification on this and how you intend to proceed. So that’s one question and then you mentioned climate change. I’d like to know if the commission intends to provide our talk funds to deal with thes changes, particularly for small. Fisher is small fishermen. Andi. Um, there is a real issue of economic sustainability of fisheries for that sector. Then then on the controls it regulation on dth e upcoming E M F F discussions. We need proper support if compliance is very costly for ever smaller. Fisher is now the European Parliament has given a very clear view 497 to 93 votes. But the council, it doesn’t seem to be taking note of that. I can understand the commission’s position, but we’re talking about a cut of four points 6% on Dhe. Isn’t that a real interference in something that was already voted on? I’ve got further things to say, but I’ll wait for your responses. Thank you very much for your points on the Adriatic. The way the discussions turned, you know, were in the end, very worrying for the commission. Why? Because it was not respecting this year, peace. It was leading toe a continuation of situation off over fish. It was not dealing with the situation off anchovy, because in that case, small biologics are essentially anchovies and sardines. But the discussions that happened in the previous committee wants to mix the two, and this would have continued the overfishing and none off the key tenets off the CFP was being observed. So hopefully there was a discussion that took place in the General Official Commission Commission for the Mediterranean. So called G f C m. It was agreed. Their emergency measures on dhe I think we owe our intention is to continue those emergency measures in the years to come and the map a multi underpants for that small projects in the Adriatic. Maybe we come back to eat when the conditions are better, but as they were we are having we were having into a direction that was really a contrary to the direction we should be going. Secondly, climate change? Yes, as I indicated in the M f f. We have committed that at least 30% off the phones will be directed to activities that will have any impact on climate change. And this has bean changed to 25 in in the in the first reading position. Finally, control regulation. I fully agree with you. But today even small scale fisheries, your small skill you are really find that fisheries vessels that have less that 12 meters and that do not use told gears there are ways off controlling through mobile devices and reporting on the catch is through mobile means that you are not a burger, but you need also the small scale to report on what they are fishing and the location where they are fishing and also to records properly. What are they’re oh, they’re operations at sea. The M F f, as we proposed by the combination for the small scale last in 12 meters, would pay under consent to institute these recording while the situation if I can very briefly paint the situation in which nothing is very interesting. The small scales today, under the current system, they have plenty of exemptions. They don’t need to record their catches. They don’t need to gifts. But we don’t know what is their exact location. Now let’s take a look at the Mediterranean. More than 80% off the fleet in the Mediterranean is small fishing. Small coastal fishing? Well, usually we tend to sing. Small is beautiful, very sustainable. Look at the state of the stocks is the most overfished region, in part because they have been exempted for all they don’t have to report on. The catch is they don’t we don’t know. The scientists cannot know. I think something needs to be changed. So again. Well, we don’t want to impose on them the same obligations as the big industry. But today, as I say again, there are more than ways that you can register. The catch is that you are getting even if you’re a small vessel, otherwise that where you find the situation off the Mediterranean, it’s over. Shift over fishing all over, and we cannot say that it’s because Morocco, Algeria and the others know I’m speaking overfishing in your waters so we cannot put on the back off other people. So this is what we intend to do. And again, there will be financing 100% for the small skate flee. To do that, we’re covering a lot of ground, but we’re also running out of time, so I’m gonna have to start grouping questions. System message. I think your chair. I’m Mr Much either. As regards maps for small Adriatic Sea scientists have proven that stocks have in fact, increased in size. Perhaps not the A cz much for intra visas for surgeons. For almost two years, we had discussions and negotiations on this matter, and the commission always maintained the same idea. Requesting protest, sir, when the best DJ Mary continued to propose this proposal to introduce quotas for small projects in the Adriatic or is some alternative proposal are being considered another question. We’re aware of the importance of multi annual plans. Therefore, I would like to take the opportunity and they screw the falling. What are the priorities? As regards new proposals for multi annual plans in the area of the Mediterranean, especially as regards the Adriatic sea is Martha annual pull and prepared for the merciless stock in the Adriatic. And also what the future priorities as regards multi animal plans for the remainder off the Mediterranean. Thank you. Thank you, Mr Pereira, you got? Yes, thank you very much, Care. And I, thanks to Director General’s well for joining us today, you were talking about the positive development of a number of different socks year and a few times. You also talked about the fact that the sector has reached record numbers in recent years. Now, the most recent indicator of empathy is not something could be used as a conclusion in order to assume that the socioeconomic situation of the sector is positive as well. On the contrary, we’re very far from that. So some figures are looking good. But in some particular areas, particularly small scale artisanal coastal fisheries and in certain member states the situation is anything but. It continues to be in a major and deep economic and social crisis, sis for the sector on. I don’t think we can lose sight of that reality now. You also took a holistic approach and you talked about thinking beyond fisheries. Yes, Well, that’s all well and good. But we have to remember that the common fisheries policy is precisely that it’s one of the few in one of the oldest common policies that European Union has. Of course, we can’t try and go beyond what our mandate is. We should at least try. And sure we have enough in the budget to meet the objectives of the policy itself. We don’t want to have an underfunded cft. I’m nothing against a holistic approach and a global approach for our oceans and other common policies for other areas. But we need to at least have a resources available for all of that. We can’t be in a situation where the fisheries themselves, which are actually the exclusive competency of you, unlike other areas where there might be shared competencies. Here. We’re talking about exclusive competence of you, and we’re seeing consistent underfunding of the policy and the sector, and this makes it to the question of the M F F here, Director General, I can only recommend that the commission be a bit more open to this less rigid, more flexible and avoid this knee jerk rejection of certain positions which apparently just mean to follow. You need following the script that the commission is set You. What has been adopted by the parliament does not necessarily imply leading toe over capacities. I don’t think we need to scare our new members by saying such things. I could say that this is an opinion that was adopted by a large majority and it found the support of a number of groups from left to right, and it doesn’t necessarily mean that it will lead to overcapacity. Now, if this is one of the concerns of the commission has and I can understand that that would be a fair concern, while in that case the commission needs to address that concern within the framework of what has been proposed by the European Parliament and look at it in that context because it can be done no. We agree that the commission can does not want to prevent investment in improving safety and improving working conditions on board vessels. We need to be able to consider, for instance, older vessels being replaced by newer vessels. Older vessels cannot be upgraded in the way that you’re proposing. In many cases, we need to renew the fleet in many member states as a result. And my final point, you’re very briefly if you could give us a update on the infringement situation with respect to all the member states and also with the suspension of payments of results of controls, is there anything ongoing right now? Or have all of them been concluded? And a final question with relate to the sardines fishery? I recently expressed my concerns about the sardine Fisher. I just want to know where this is being taken to account with the recent situations saying that there has been an increase in the resource son in Greece and biomass in the region. Thank you. Lots of questions crammed in. Okay, Okay, thank you very much. I’ll try to be flush it iveness chair. Just a point of order, please. Could we not all have all of the questions noted down and then have the answers at the very end? Because I’m looking at the commission and I think it would be helpful and use time is running out and we have got a lot of different questions and we do this actually in other circumstances as well. You are. You are next. But I’m just want Thea, Director General to respond to the coordinators. Yeah. Thank you. Uh, well, scientists have shown that in the Adriatic is increased. Well, this is something that needs We looked very carefully. The commission for the moment. As I said, the only intention that we have to work within the context of Jesse one thing that we and we have discussed this in the past, you know very well, Mrs Thomas Cheek in a Mediterranean, it’s ah, no go area to have tax that has been used in other see basics. What I can tell you is that the same species anchovies and sardines some years ago there’s trouble in the Bay of Biscay. We adopted talks there, and the stock recover in the in good shape. So I don’t see why intimately training. And it’s so different that you cannot have talks there on de so. But for the moment, as I said, we work within the context off duty cm as what the new maps we are considering internally. What others? We will come forward. There is not yet a decision. But you are right. There are still other regions or other species that we need to be covert weed. Ah, Moody and her plans then I know, Mr Freida, that the situation is not the same across all segments, but what I wanted to make is that overall and many off the segments, they have been profitable with rates off 8 19% 20%. If you look at many other economic sectors during the crisis, 18 19% is not bad at all. So they have bean on the C, F P and the lamp and the E M F F also as funding for oceans for climate change for maritime blue girls. But it’s under direct management and what I see is that both the council and the parliament are reducing the envelope on direct management. This is the part that is managed already by the commission. So if we want really to go into these areas, which I really, we shoot, we need also to have the envelope on direct management slightly increased. And the reason I know this is a fisheries commission committee, but when you look at climate change in the oceans, the impact is that fish stocks are moving elsewhere. We need to look at these not only from a fisheries point off, we need to have a broader view because you can decide tax, but you’re going to the sea and the stocks are no longer there anymore. So I think we need to have a world of you. Yes, the commission should be less region it. I mean you yourself said that investments would not necessarily lead, so but good leaked. What we want is to avoid that these leads tow capacity that I think we need to work during the trial locks on ways to limit the risk or sink happening on finally sardines. Yes, I make it a comment only owning an interview, saying that the stock has been in a very poor situation. The scientists are selling that. I was not saying in that interview that more needs more cuts are needed. I said that it has been in a difficult situation and the sector and the government are making effort. Now that’s you have sardines now in the CIA’s you. Some people claim let’s be reviewed by the scientists in Isis and we come back to that later in the year. Thank you. This is all about time management. I don’t think I’m succeeding very well, right? Can I pass it to members now? It’s one minute questions. Please keep them as specific as possible. Fish fry apparent. What’s it, a duck? Thank you, Chair. I will try and do precisely that. I have a question from the Netherlands. It’s about the landing obligations and the exceptions or exemptions. And I think a lot need needs to be done with respect to the exemptions. Instead of having these cameras installed everywhere to make sure the landing obligations are respected, it’s this Points already been made. The situation with landings is a major concern for the Netherlands. The commission apparently has no idea what situation is in practice. On the ground in the Netherlands, we have a very good system in place, and apparently commission now wants to forbid it. That can’t be the case. They should at least look to see what the situation is like in the Netherlands before they make any decisions. There are, Ah lot of issues related to landing obligations for fish for human consumption and well, you know that in cases need to be kept on ice. But then you have hot weather and then you have all the issues related to the food quality. Also the quality official very over time, depending on where it’s caught on all of this needs to We need to be taken into account when setting the system. So if a market operator cannot meet all of the requirements, then they cannot land the fish. And so here comes my question. So this apparently is not the case from the Netherlands for all of Europe. This is just one example for my, uh, I’m a full member of the group, so I should have a bit more time, unlike others. So you have to remember that the purchasing and the landing and the selling sites are different across all of Europe. Scene until that not just the situation those but also across the entire you. And also look at the question of exemptions. My question is about the exceptions to writing. Well, for the record, thank you. Just to brief points from me, you talked about the production itself and the rig. Oh, that. See, Now you see this as an opportunity. But actually I also think there are a lot of threats to fisheries there as well. If you think about the North Sea, for instance, there’s a plan in place of 22,000 windmills and in the North Sea now their windows being bought was built, left and right, and that you talked about creating energy from the sea. But we have to think about the threats related to that. So what is DJ motto is roll there? Should we not be thinking maybe about research being put into this? If we think about the effects on fisheries of all of these plans, you talk about a holistic approach and I think this really is part of that approach. The second point has to do with the landing obligations. We have a lot of complaints about the system. Now we know that systems have been identified under the technical measures. There have been agreements that have been made, but we think there is a need to evaluate the situation quite quickly. And do you see the possibility of such a evaluation taking place at any point soon? Thank you. Thank you. Uh, stewed tomato. Does it matter? Not so. Thank you. If on the one hand we haven’t got studies on who sit to blame for stock, it reduction and whether the small of Fisher fishermen are to blame. Well, we we’ve bean talking about Emma drilling too many cargo ships, all these issues which could be the main causes. We have to fight against Andi. The discard ban on the landing obligation. Well, last time that we dealt with this in the e m f f context Onda, we thought the commission was an agreement with specific assistance to give into smaller fisheries when it came to, um can and serving the fish. Now what happens? Two. They’re sick. Catch can’t be used to fight poverty on DDE If we remember what was done in agriculture to help with marketing, there was a program for fruit and vegetables and milk at school. Why can’t we have a program providing fish? Thank you, Mr Chair, Given the overwhelming win for the Brexit party in the recent European elections, on the weight of opinion in the UK is fishing industry Will director acknowledge on, except that the UK has the right to be and an independent coastal state post Brexit. Further to this, will the director recognize that the British fishing industry deserves to be free from you interference in its affairs. On that, the UK government alone has the right to re distribute fishing opportunities in UK waters that were previously given to you vessels under equal excess rules. And to help you understand. I have a booklet for you, sir. And for you, Mr Davis and I did have one for Peter Van Dolan. But obviously, he’s not here today. Our vice president. So I’d like to give you that at the end. Thank you very much. 58 seconds. Thank you very much, Mrs Adams. We missed. Yes. Thank you very much, Director General, I’m very glad that in your presentation you talked about global issues relating to the oceans. Knowledge, the blue economy, governance. I’m a new member here, Andi. Like you, I support the role that Europe can play when tackling. With these issues, we have a 25 square 1,000,000 square kilometers off. See, you talked about the green deal on dhe. The commissions ambition in that respect. But my question is how Europe can respond to these challenges. How do we make Europe and maritime power there Geo strategic issues. On what about European governance of the seas? Because the Fisheries Committee is Thea only committee dealing with these maritime issues. Think, Director General, you should reply to that batch. Go back, please. Thank you very much. Our view first, Uh, Mrs, I wanted to come back to your point. As I said, the lending obligation is a major challenge for the sector and for governments to control. And the exemptions that are provided there, which were decided again by on co decided by this alls and the council. They serve a purpose, but they render, in my view, to control even more if he goes some of the exemptions I give two examples mean survivability if the fish, even if it is, comes aboard. But if it has a high rate of survivability than you can throw back to the sea Uh, second exemption, uh, medium size in principle. You should not catch fish that are undersized, but if you only do 5% off fishing, you can catch 5%. That is undersides. Then you have to bring on vote. Uh, when you come to port. Now, if we put ourselves in the sense off one year you go to the sea. And how do you calculate a 5% on everything that you feel. Okay, so can you do that? I mean, this is a huge challenge on if you don’t have means of controlling directly what is happening. I mean, come on, buddy, come to Boto to to land. No one knows if discarding is going on or not. Information has to receive from our audience and from European fishes. Control engine see is that discarding is continuing. If you don’t have means off control you, can you make sure that this is implemented? But again, these exemptions are provided in the basic regulation and they are entitled to use them. Then the threats, the wind meals and certainly and one of the things that he’s a major preoccupation is that we better organize the maritime space. I think like it or not, the art reality is that more and more activities will take place in the sea. So the best way that we can do is to manage, organizes the best possible way, and these is maritime special planning. I think it’s important that we organize the space otherwise, but this will happen and certain things. We need to be very careful on what we do, particularly deep sea mining’s and things off the sort. But these activities are going to happen. We need to organize them and research money will be power into that. Don’t forget that for the first time ever in the new arise in Europe, there will be one off the four missions or five. It’s one on the oceans with 1,000,000,000 euros, which will be shared by Pascal Lamy. So for the first time, we have, under the research program of the Union one off the mission which is on the oceans. And we certainly are going to use these to deal with men off the challenge that we are facing then, Ah, as UK, the right UK will be a constant state when it leaves you for all your other questions we will discuss during the negotiations. We certainly have many things to discuss when we enter into negotiations with U. K s O. But for the moment we are still in the hope that we can organize a proper way out for you. Kay from the union. And finally, mother shabu, uh, you know, a pen. Very severe mucus, As you know, better than anyone else. The you was already a major maritime power. But we do need to organize better and once again it’s very important to organize the maritime area. Now the global population is going to go up to 9,000,000,000 on dhe. Land based resources Will won’t be enough. And of course, a lot of CO two is produced. Fishing activities may be an alternative, but we’re not going to invade the maritime area and have agriculture farms everywhere. We need proper organization of that area on Do we need caution? We need prudence. That’s our key word. Because if you look at the damage which has bean caused on Earth on the land, which is visible, well, that didn’t stop us causing environmental disasters. Even when you could see that on DDE at sea, you can’t always see that on. There’s a massive potential for environmental disaster. So we need to be very, very prudent here. This is studio, you know? No, the time. So thank you very much. Jam and thank you, Director, You said that 80% of Mediterranean stocks are over fished. You confirm that statement when answering questions Now, could you share those data? When did they refer to? Because it has. Bean said that in the Mediterranean the scientists don’t have very certain data on DDE. There are a lot of limitations to fishing in the Mediterranean. Mr. Fed Ada made one point where you were talking about Ama Peaks. Andi, I’m wondering which country of this refers to a peaks in turnover because in Italy were close to clap quickly. Thank you very much. We’ll have fresh famous Mr Machado for your intervention this morning. On particularly, I would like to say to reassure you, Mr Federer said. But you might scare new members. I’m one of the new members. Didn’t get scared. One of maybe the reason because I worked me dedicated the fishing industry a couple points. First of all, you talked about at the implementations. Andi, you talk about energy A negative ways on modern way for implementation. Are you talking about CCTV? Can I remind you that Scottish fishermen, hard CCTV since 2009 in their vessels this is neither innovative modern. I would love you to come with a list off. What motive In innovative implementation you are thinking about? The second point will be You wouldn’t be surprised on Brexit you say no enough. Let me. That was one of them. You won’t get an answer. It was simply won’t get an answer if you if you carry on. I’m sorry. Please. Well, if you want, you can speak rivers of what I said. I’m not saying that it was not my intention that CCTV will be the flagship of what is innovation or what I was saying is that even for small scale, you have much more than ways that are less burdensome like iPhone telephones, more vials that through which you can register. Currently it’s on the paper base. It savvy. But with these new means, which is not only CCTV is you can do a proper registration of the catches and that’s what I was referring to. But we can discuss in bilaterally if you are all right. Say thank you. Well, to be honest, Mr Mrs, today it’s not my idea that it’s for 86% or fish are scientists that have produced that. If you want, we can supply you with the figures on the latest assessment that was made. So there you are. I’ve spent 15 years on the committee on DDE criticizing committee chairs for not managing these questions sessions properly. And now I find myself in the dock. I apologize to those who have not been up to call. Ash will try and learn the lessons and manage the time better. However, we have covered an enormous amount of ground. So, Director General, thank you very much. Um, you know, when you when you leaving us. Okay. Well, I hope you don’t take any summer, whole days and carry on making these policies work properly. Thank you very much. We need to get it to 30.